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Old 06-13-2009, 10:09 AM
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Default Esbilac, KMR or Fox Valley Milk Replacer?

There is a yahoo group of rehabbers I'm participating in and we just had a discussion about what milk replacer would be the most suitable for coonies.

So I figured, just for the record of it, I'll paste some of the label information here for later reference. I personally will choose KMR powder, but I haven't tried Fox Valley at all yet. Might do that next year.

What shocked me was how little nutrients are in the canned KMR Liquid version...and I wonder why they got the runs from it!

ESBILAC:
Crude Protein: 33%
Crude Fat: 40%

KMR POWDER:
Crude Protein: 42%
Crude Fat: 25%

KMR LIQUID:
Crude Protein: 7.5%
Crude Fat: 4.5%

FOX VALLEY:
Crude Protein: 40.0%
Crude Fat: 25.0%

Coonies need some good protein, so Esbilac is a little low on that, but it will do if nothing else is available. KMR and Fox Valley are pretty close in protein and fat.
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Old 06-13-2009, 01:20 PM
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Default Re: Esbilac, KMR or Fox Valley Milk Replacer?

I would say anything but Fox Valley, I hate that stuff! All my babies get bloated or get diarrhea when I use it.

Can I add another formula to the discussion? My personal favorite is Zoologic . They make all different protein to fat ratios and you can mix and match. I would personally use the same formula I do for bunnies (and this stuff keeps bunnies active and healthy which says a LOT for a formula!), which is Zoologic 33/40 mixed with Zoologic 30/55. That would give you a formula that is 31.5% protein and 47.5% fat.

I think in the ratios you got the protein and fat percentages backwards because KMR is good for bunnies because it is higher in fat and lower in protein. I think Coons probably need more fat because the mammal babies book suggessts KMR for their formula. I have a rehabber friend that swears by esbilac with her coon babies though. She says they get bloated and don't digest the KMR right. They survive, but don't grow up as quickly according to her.
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Default Re: Esbilac, KMR or Fox Valley Milk Replacer?

Hehe, every rehabber has his/her own preference. So far I had one for each of the milk replacers that one rehabber hated and would 'never use' lol.

Thanks for the info though. I'll keep it in mind when I run out and am up for refills.
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Default Re: Esbilac, KMR or Fox Valley Milk Replacer?

Im using esbilac now but its te only thing i have, I think bears can use more fat though.
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Old 06-14-2009, 07:55 AM
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Default Re: Esbilac, KMR or Fox Valley Milk Replacer?

Esbical for a bear??? Through how many pounds do you go a week??? That's expensive stuff.
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Old 06-14-2009, 08:14 AM
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Esbical for a bear??? Through how many pounds do you go a week??? That's expensive stuff.

For the cub for now but hes eating fruits and dog food also. It is sooooo expensive but Im being reimbursed for the bear. Because of the diet change he has some poo poo problems. This cub is sooo wild lol, this morning he was flying around like a chimp on crack
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Default Re: Esbilac, KMR or Fox Valley Milk Replacer?

Just another opinion I use the Fox valley for Bunnies and Squirrels, I like it for the squirrels because you do not have to add the multi-milk and than cereal to it, one nice easy step. I never had any problems with it. I use Esbilac only for the Opossums. To each there own.
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Your bunnies don't get bloated on 2:1 fox valley formula possumsrus? Mine couldn't tolerate it at all and would die if they got 2:1 for more than 2 feedings. All my babies were very scrawny on the fox valley too. Their formula for bunnies isn't the proper fat to protein ratio either, bunnies need more fat than squirrels do.
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Default Re: Esbilac, KMR or Fox Valley Milk Replacer?

I only did two groups of bunnies last year on the fox valley I started out with the under 3 weeks than moved to the over three weeks, I had nice plump bunnies everything looked good with them. I had no bloat or diarrhea. I moved them on to there yard greens and oatmeal and bunny pellets and all was well. I am no expert on bunnies... I always take care of the Opossums , Pigeons , doves, and a occasional squirrel. Everyone seemed good to me. They all made it to release.
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